In-depth approach: Hmmm...after the latest rumor to surface today involving point guard Rajon Rondo -- Rondo and Brian Scalabrine to Memphis for Mike Conley and and Rudy Gay -- it has become 100% clear that the Celtics are intent on shopping around their once-prized point guard to at least see if they can get anything of value.
Why? Well it looks like Danny Ainge sees trouble ahead in his contract negotiations with Rondo. The Kentucky alum has one year left on his deal and has already been quoted saying he's looking for max money. That's laughable unto itself, but the fact that Rondo legit thinks he's worth that much has to be scary for Ainge and the C's brass, especially considering they already have three players (Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen) making max or close to it.
Ray will be off the books by then and you can bet that's the ONLY reason why he's being shopped around in these reported Rondo deals. A) In the downtrending economy and in a league that was hesitant to make trade-deadline deals because of financial concerns, Allen's $19 million+ expiring deal becomes a valuable trading chip. B) The Celtics regardless if they trade Allen or let him walk after next season (can we all agree he's 3-years-and-done with the Green?) it will free up plenty of cap space for the vaunted Summer of 2010 when Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitzki and plenty of others becomes free agents.
Still, it remains a bit perplexing to see the Celtics so adamantly shop their fine young point guard. When we first heard Rondo and Ray to Phoenix for Amare and Barbosa, we all laughed, Ainge denied it and we shrugged it off. Then a few weeks later we heard Rondo to Sacramento f
or Jason Thompson and the No. 4 pick. Peculiar we thought, since this is widely held as one of the weakest drafts in recent memory, one where the difference between the second and 15th pick could be negligible. Why would you want to trade up in a draft like that? Rubbish, we thought.
But thennnnn, yesterday the big bombsell dropped. This wasn't just a few reports on local radio stations or various blogs, this was SportsCenter, the juggernaut of all things sports, leading off it's morning program with a whopper of a rumor: the Celtics approached Detroit about sending Rondo and Ray Allen to the Pistons for Rodney Stuckey, Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton.
Of course we were told that this was just a few "lower level" execs talking shop. Not Joe Dumars or Danny Ainge. Predictably, Ainge broke his cone of silence yesterday to address the swirling Rondo and Ray to Detroit rumors. Here's what he said YESTERDAY:
“I’m not sure why his name keeps popping up, but I’ll tell you this: We love Rajon, and I think everyone in here knows what kind of a player he is and what kind of a bright future he has.
“I’m not going to comment on which trade rumors are true and which ones aren’t true, but it’s amazing. And I hope you can all maintain your integrity in this world of media that we live in. It doesn’t seem that you have to have any source anymore. You can just write stuff and print stuff and things just come out of the air.
“The one thing I can assure you - I will never sit up here and say there is one player that is untradeable ever,” Ainge continued. “But the notion we might be trading him because of some reason other than we think we can be better trading any player because of any (other) reason (is not true).
“Because of his contract situation, I’ve heard speculation. I’ve heard speculation of we’re dissatisfied with him or his attitude. That stuff is so false. He showed up late for a playoff game so we’re going to trade him. None of those things are true. We love the kid and we think he has a very bright future.”
OK, damage control. But WHY were the C's so intent on shopping Rondo for the past few weeks? I mean, didn't we all think things were working out fine after last year's title run and this year's KG-less second-round exit? All of a sudden Chad Ford is on ESPN telling people the C
's are unhappy with Rondo, that he has an attitude problem and he's tough to coach??
We've had Doc Rivers -- always the player's coach -- throw a few veiled references out there that Rondo may be a bit stubborn. But after his first year and the first half of the 2007-2008 season, we didn't hear much else. And when was Rondo late for a playoff game? No Celtics beat that I read covered this?
Well, things got a whole lot more interesting today. Here is what Danny Ainge had to say this morning on WEEI. Let me remind you, this is today, ONE DAY after he said the aforementioned comments above.
On being late:
"We expect him to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader," Ainge said. "There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don't know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it's just unacceptable."
On the playoff series with Orlando:
"As we saw in the Orlando series, they left him wide open," Ainge said. "His presence hurt us in winning right now because his man went and doubled onto Ray [Allen] and Paul [Pierce] and made it difficult for us."
On Rondo's attitude:
Ainge said Rondo wasn't "that disruptive of a player," but that he still hasn't fully matured.
"He's got to grow up in some cases, and I think he is, too," Ainge said. "Slowly but surely Rondo is maturing. He's getting a little bit more control over his emotions and he's responding in a more positive way as he gets older and more mature in the league."
On Rondo's contract situation:
"Not right now, I don’t think that Rondo’s a max contract player. I think it’s a good goal for Rondo to have from a monetary standpoint, to be that kind of player that warrants a max-contract player. I certainly don’t see Rondo as a max contract player today."
On signing LeBron or Dwyane Wade:
"It’s something we’ve discussed, and it’s something we’ve actually set ourselves up for, to have an opportunity to think along those lines. This year, it’s a tough call because we’re trying to win now. If we try to improve our team this summer, it could prevent us from having an opportunity to be in the stakes for a big superstar in 2010 unless it’s through a sign-and-trade. A sign-and-trade might be a more viable way to get him than through cap space.
"You’re at a disadvantage with cap space because you can’t pay them within $30 million of what their team that they’re currently with can pay them, and you can’t pay them the length of the contract for the same amount of years. So it’s better and more likely to get a superstar free agent, in most cases, through sign-and-trades.
"That’s probably our best opportunity. You also have to be an attractive team, and a team that has some value. You can’t just have the money. You have to have other players that will allow that player to win. With KG and Paul and the contracts that remain going forward, that may be the attraction. We may not have enough money, but if you have some assets to trade for that superstar, that may be your best opportunity."
--What the?? What the F is going on here. The Celtics sure kept a good lid on how unhappy they were with Rondo during the past few years. Why did no reporter cover this story? And where is Doc Rivers on all this? Wouldn't you just love to get his take?
There are possibly a few things going on here, all or none of which could be true:
1) The Celtics really are unhappy with Rondo, don't think he's going to be signable for an amount OK for them, and wouldn't mind dealing him for a young point for cheap money and either a draft pick (Ricky Rubio?) or a complementary player.
2) The C's are more concerned with clearing cap space for 2010, getting Ray Allen out of here and using their one solid trade chip (Rondo) to do so.
3) But why come out and bash Rondo in the public eye if you're trying to trade him? Makes no sense.
Red's Army had an interesting theory that maybe Ainge is trying to negotiate throgh trade rumors and the media. Something like: "You haven't been the perfect model citizen and team player for us, we even tried to trade you and no one bite, you know you aren't worth max money, but we'll pay you X instead."
or 4) Ainge has zero clue what he's doing. Why would he want to trade a pass-first point who has proven he can deal with 3 superstars and is more than capable of running the offense and driving to the hoop when he absolutely has to. It's like the pre-Big Three Era when Ainge flip flopped between making a playoff run (Gary Payton, hello again Antoine Walker) and rebuilding (tanking, trading Ricky Davis for nothing, etc.) every other year.
What's the answer? I have no idea. But if you believe in one of the four options, or have a theory of your own, by all means comment. I know we have some serious hoop fans here. So lemme know what you think.
--Nick
All right.
ReplyDeleteNick and I went back and forth on this when I first heard about the deal yesterday. Personally, if I'm the Celtics, I agree with Ainge's strategy.
Look, Rondo's a really nice player. He is not a great player and he is not a max-deal type player. I'm a Warriors fan (a team in desperate need of a quality point guard) and I don't think I'd be happy if the Warriors gave a max deal to Rondo.
Thing is, Rondo puts up big numbers but plays for a very good team. What the Magic did in the playoffs exposed what could be a large weakness for the Celts. Obviously, they nearly (I guess?) defeated the future Eastern Conference Champion Orlando Magic and Rondo had a profound effect on those victories.
However, his effect was probably felt even more in the losses. Unless Rondo develops the work ethic to come up with a jump shot, it simply doesn't make sense to guard him. You just have the guard come and double-team Pierce in crunch time and wait for Rondo to shoot the open jumper. You cannot pay a player who can't make a jump shot a max contract.
Plus, if you're the Celtics and you're looking to get something for Rondo, this is a great time to do it. With only one year left on his deal, he could be used in a deal with a stupid team (read again: Warriors) to get A LOT in return.
I mean, I'm dreaming here, but let's just think about the possibilities here. If you are to deal Rondo, you can probably get more than what he's even worth.
I could see the Warriors trading a combination of Jamal Crawford, the no.7 pick and Anthony Randolph or Brendan Wright for Rondo. In my opinion, the Celtics would make out much more in that situation and still be in a position to make a move in the summer of 2010. Let someone else be the franchise who decides not to sign a potential franchise point guard.
Also, it may be difficult to see through your Boston goggles, but Rondo developed a bad reputation in the playoffs as a dirty player. The Celtics are an intimidating team and play as such, but I'm not sure they want to be portrayed as physical to the point of cheating. Rondo crossed the line a couple times in the playoffs and it will likely only get worse.
It might make sense to eliminate the problem before it even starts. I don't think the Celtics are thinking about rebuilding necessarily but wouldn't be surprised if they looked at the team after the KG injury last year and started worrying if they can win with the current team without KG.
I think the short answer to that is, "No." No one really knows if KG will be the same when he comes back. He's certainly a legendary competitor, but as has been speculated at length, this injury may be the kind that totally changes him forever.
KG at 80% is still a great player but probably not enough to win you a chmapionship. So they might want to get something in a trade that makes them deeper and more relevant around KG.
Pierce and Allen are also aging and proved they can't get it done themselves. With the Cavs looking to make a splash and Orlando taking the leap last year, the Celtics likely feel pressure to change the team and try to take advantage of whatever KG has left.
That's a solid, intelligent comment, but I have one question. You said you agree with Ainge's strategy, but what is that exactly? If he is trying to trade him, Nick's post makes a good point by wondering why he would publicly bash him. Is he just trying to motivate him, or does he legit hate him?
ReplyDeleteI'm going with option 4, Ainge has no clue what he is doing. The KG and Ray trades that turned the Celtics from worst to first were historic moves and Ainge should be congratulated until the end of time. Beyond that, what has he done? Aside from drafting reasonably well (save Gerald Green) Ainge should still be known for his spontaneous deals that don't seem to benefit the team in any way. The first Antoine Walker trade screwed this team pretty bad for a couple of years and really had very little to do with them getting good again. (Raef LaFrentz was siicckk). The same can be said for bringing him back and trading him again. How about trading the #7 pick (Brandon Roy when all was said and done) hours before the draft for Sebastian Telfair? Danny Change often becomes desperate to make a move and thus does something no one understands. And no, this is not Vin Baker writing.
There are some legitimate reasons into exploring trading Rondo, but knowing Dan is at the helm is dece scary. As this team is constructed, assuming they're healthy, they could win again next year. Why not ride things out, let Ray walk after banner #18 and use his money to sign a younger, better player at equal money. If Rondo thinks he is a max player, so be it. The fact is he's here now and he was good enough to help win a title and could help win another. Messing with that is way too risky, even if you might lose out in a year.
if that conley /gay deal is real and possible id love it.. conley is a smart team player and gay is def a bright spot in the future.. ray is my boy so id hate to c him go but eitha way his days r limited.. wuldnt mind lettin paul and kg teach conley and rudy a few things and buildin sum future for the celts.. fuck rondo if he thinks hes on cp3 or nash's level.. he can make shit happen.. but he can b pretty outa control and terrible decisions too.
ReplyDeleteDeal him and Tony Allen for Conley and Rudy Gay pleaaaaaaaaaaase
ReplyDeleteWarriors like gettin Acie Law instead, balla
ReplyDeleteBalla, who plays PG here if you deal Rondo to the Warriors? I think there is some sort of plan here. Its just too weird for there not to be. They have to have some other target in mind. They know how hard it is to find a PG. Pre Rondo PG's? Ho hooo. Delonte, Telfair, Banks, GP, etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd the leave Rondo open and double other people strategy is nothing new. Teams tried it a lot all of last season including Kobe playing off him and roaming in the finals last year. Hes not a great shooter, we know that, but trust me, noone is worried about some weakness being exposed all of a sudden.
Rondo is a top 3 point in the East and he works in this system. Trading him without a backup plan is bizarre and risky. I can deal with Stuckey or Rubio but please don't give me some suckface next season.