Tuesday, June 9, 2009

Sox Injury Updates

110% taken from Will Carroll's column Under The Knife, which me and my friends actually pay money for just to hopefully gain an advantage in fantasy baseball. Yea I know, saaad buut truuue.

"There's good news and bad news in Beantown with their multiplicity of injuries. We'll start with the bad, as Ellsbury traded a neat diving grab for a sprained shoulder. He had jammed the shoulder on a slide earlier, but the catch is where the AC joint was exposed. The Boston Globe says that the shoulder is inflamed and tender while questioning whether or not he'll be available today. My sources are telling me that this might be a bit worse than that, however. It's hard to tell at this stage, though it's likely that Ellsbury is headed for some imaging to see how bad the sprain—and let's be clear here, this is a sprain and not a strain—should be graded. Depending on the severity, Ellsbury could miss anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks, and there's just no way to tell yet. That he was able to stay in is a positive, but it could also be that Ellsbury just has a high pain tolerance. We'll know a lot more later today.

The good news is that Smoltz continues to rehab well, and seems to be on track to get his first Red Sox start early next week. The Sox are also looking toward getting Jed Lowrie back near the end of the month; as with all wrist injuries, the normal bat control caveats apply, though the bar has been lowered by the issues the Sox have had in his absence. Despite the rumors and talks, it would surprise me if the Sox made a significant move before giving Lowrie the chance to re-establish himself at shortstop."

Thanks Will. Ill have more later. And dont be shy with the comments people. We've gotten 2.5 over the last month and a half so things are looking up.

17 comments:

  1. I think the Ellsbury injury could be a blessing in disguise. It could ramp up the pursuit of a Dunn or Holliday to put in RF with a Drew/Rocco/Kotsay combo in center. Than going into the offseason you'd either have Dunn with another year left, or a decision to make between Bay or Holliday. All this is good.

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  2. What pursuit of Dunn or Holliday? Sox aren't gonna mortgage the future for Holliday and probably re-sign Bay anyways. Holliday isn't good outside of Colorado, get off his dick already. Dunn is so bad in the field u can't possibly be serious about playing him in RF at Fenway can you? Oh and that trio in CF? Why don't u add me to the mix, cuz I have as much as range as that trio of suck. Sometimes I wonder Williams if you watch baseball or just think it's all fantasy related. Yea, Dunn's hrs would be nice, but his zero range rumbling around in the biggest RF in baseball negates any positive impact he puts on the lineup.

    Shouldn'tve traded Coco...hes batting 70 pts less than Ellsbury, but getting on base at a higher clip. Good work Jacoby.

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  3. Seriously, im fucking pissed off right now williams. wtf, when have u heard they are remotely interested in those two bums? Ya boy Shaugnessey leak the info to you? Awful. Ya, Billy Beane is easy to trade with, Dunn or Holliday will cost you Buchholz. No thanks. I don't trade future 1s or 2s for barely above replacement level players. fuck im heated now

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  4. Stello I call bullshit on thinking you have as much range as any of those dudes. Also Buckholz as a 1 or 2???? I will believe it when I see it. It's the minors for a reason Bro, CONSISTENT sucess in the majors gets it done...not temper tantrums and pouting in the dugout like a little bitch.

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  5. Woo comments today, finally. Pretty pumped to see Williams rebut this. Always classic battles between those two. Theyve never agreed on anything to do with the Sox

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  6. Stello, you're nuts. Buster Olney said the Sox showed interest in Dunn. Sometimes you just gotta say F defense. Plus, if Ortiz continues to be Ofer than you can DH Dunn a good amount with Baldelli holding the fort in CF for a bit until Jacoby returns.

    I'm not on Holliday's dick, I actually watch baseball outside of the Sox, I still have wolfie's MLB TV pssword (my bad bro) and Holliday is htiting like .500 in his last 7 games, now up to .283, 8 homers, team-leading 37 RBI to go along with 30 runs and 4 SBs in probably the second worst offense in MLB (after that other team from the Bay Area). You're telling me he wouldn't mash hitting 5th in Fenway in a good lineup? You'd be kidding yourself.

    You need to get off CoCo's dick bro. Guy saaackkkss. Gets on base, power potential, look at Cleveland numbers, ya ya, heard it for 3-4 years now. At this point it's no an abberition, it's who he is: a .250 hitter who draws walks and can steal 30. Give me Ellsbury PLUS lights out Ramon Ramirez all day.

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  7. Eww..and you made up the on base thing. Just looked up the OBPs:

    Crisp: .335
    Ellsbury: .343

    You're the king of spouting numbers and hoping people jsut take your word for it. You almost got me there.

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  8. I would chime in but I don't really watch the Sox anymore. I need Remy back. I legit watch more non Sox games than Sox games right now. Its a traveshamockery.


    Gambee: Whens Remy comin back?

    Me: Heard the funeral is this weekend.

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  9. You gotta say fuck defense? Again, that's unreal for fantasy. I agree totally. I'll agree you can DH Dunn, I'm sick of Ortiz.

    Oh I don't watch baseball outside of the sox? Your right, I have no clue whats going on. I know his home/road splits are brutal, and I also know Billy Beane won't move him for less than Buchholz plus. You wanna peace out Lars Anderson and Clay Buchholz, with really no room for Holiday ( he can't play RF). Which will basically accomplish three things Theo Williams.

    1) Up the price for Jason Bay, and probably drive him out of town. What signal are you sending our best hitter if you move our top 2 prospects to acquire him in a contract year when you haven't even worked out a deal for Bay yet?

    2) Create a logjam in the OF. Drew is owed 15mil, Holliday and Bay are both gunna play, and in case you haven't realized, Tito ain't benchin Ortiz anytime soon. Plus you gotta play ya slap happy boy Ellsbury in CF.

    3) Give all the leverage to another Boras client, they will most likely go to FA, not re-sign, and then refer to 1, we probably lose out on both and have Chris fuckin Carter patrolling LF next year.

    My point with Coco is we coulda got wayyyy more for Ellsbury, and they are the same player OPS wise, and Coco's is 2x better defender than Ellsbury.

    Oh and Joe Morgan, I mean Jake Perkins, give it a rest with the show me stuff. Clay tossed a no-no in his 2nd major league start. Did he struggle last year? Yes, but the whole "demenor" thing was trumped up by the media. I wouldn't be too happy either if I was giving up hits like he was last year because the Sox thought it would be good to change my mechanics which worked my whole life. He's back to his old mechanics and dominating AAA. Yes, he hasn't won 3 cy youngs yet, which I know you need to see to annoint someone, but jesus, the kid is good. Better than a lot of starters in the bigs right now. Commands 3 plus pitchers, only reason he's not up is the numbers game. I'm not willing to move him for someone to create a logjam.

    What the sox needed to do was not re-sign Mike, I cant get on base anymore Lowell in his age 35 season, move Youk to 3rd, and go after a sluggin 1bman. (Not Teixera Nick, it wasn't gunna happen).

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  10. OK Im gonna stop refreshing this war every few minutes. Anyone else chiming in?

    Balla?

    Robin?

    BTK?

    Anonymous?

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  11. I'll comment just because I love these debates and even though I'm not a Sox fan, I watch them because I have the package on DirecTV and talk about them with Williams off and on.

    Bottom line is the Sox are really deep anyway. You obviously have the pieces to make a move if you want. From watching Matt Holliday (we get all the Oakland games out here, obviously), I can tell you he's a pretty solid player that would take advantage of the wall in left.

    You would likely have to give up prospects to get him, but I don't see the A's going bananas over Buchholz (regardless of his success in AAA). First, while everyone agrees Buchholz is a great talent, the A's have five young starting pitchers right now and would likely want offense in return. I'm not sure of the depth of the Sox farm system with regard to offense, but the A's would like a player they could use in the long term. They have many starters (Cabrera, Holliday, Giambi, Hannahan, etc.) who are either not good enough to be in the majors or not expected to play past this season. They need long-term replacements at shortstop and in the corner outfield positions. So you could probably keep Buchholz, but the A's would want a prominent offensive prospect in return as well as someone better than Julio Lugo.

    Adam Dunn would actually be a decent fit in Boston, but I don't see Washington trading him, regardless of the rumors floating around. Don't forget the Nationals are about to sign Strasburg and have a brand new ballpark that's getting less attendance than an EB basketball game. If the Nationals decide to trade him, they are likely to ask for a lot in return especially given Dunn's production early this year. In this scenario in particular, I would think the Sox surrender Buchholz at the very least.

    That being said, as I've mentioned before, the Sox are incredibly deep. No one knows what you'll get from Smoltz, but every indication in his rehab suggests he'll throw successfully. I haven't heard confirmation this is his final season, either. The Sox clutched to Curt Schilling for a while at the tail-end of his career and I wouldn't be surprised if (in the event of any amount of success for Smoltz), the Sox continue to make an effort to resign him.

    Even if you decide Smoltz isn't a good solution for the next few seasons, Masterson could easily pick up the slack as a more than capable back-of-the-rotation starter. Assuming Daisuke gets his act together, you're still looking at a plus-rotation with a stronger lineup.

    Obviously, the eyebrow raising involved with J.D. Drew's acquisition has proven to be legit (all the Sox fans will now skewer me because of his postseason play). The guy isn't a great corner outfielder and hasn't exactly put up the numbers to justify his role in that position.

    But if you're going to platoon him with Mark Kotsay in centerfield, you're basically in the grossest situation you could be in. I will disagree with Stello in that Kotsay's range in centerfield is not bad. He is not what he used to be but could still cover ground out there. Drew wouldn't be a horrible choice either. However, as I was mentioning before, how would you ever choose whom to start? You would be in an even more complicated situation if you got both Holliday and Dunn as your logjam of outfielders just gets more dense.

    Personally, I would much rather have Ellsbury than Coco Crisp. Coco is a pretty good defender (but not elite) with a weak arm and no great position in any lineup. At least with Ellsbury you know what you're getting. You're on to something with trade value, but I have a hard time believing that trade value is a good reason to trade someone; usually that means they're a good reason to keep.

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  12. I dont even know where to start. All I really have to put into this is I am not really worried about our outfield. I think w/ a healthy ellsbury/Bay/Drew and Kotsay/Balldelli coming off the bench that we don't really need to blow any big time prospects on Dunn or Holliday. what I would like to see is a fucking Short Stop that can play. We are probly gonna end up w/ omar vizquel or something like that but I would really like to see the sox do something to get a guyy that can atleast hit 280 and play stella defense. This being said, Our farm system is loaded w/ talented pitchers and I do not want them to go to waste on some bum. If we move these guys then I trust that Theo knows what he is doing.

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  13. Stello give me a break with the played up by the media bullshit I WATCHED IT HAPPEN ON LIVE TV. I visually saw him in the dugout and his lil pout, throwing of a towel, about to cry can't handle the majors yet bullshit. There is a reason why he is in triple A dude. If they thought he was mentally ready he woulda been at least a spot starter early this season over Masterson or even Penny and you know that.

    And as far as the show me bullshit that I speak of, that's what players get paid for (for the most part)...Buckholz has great stuff and SHOULD pan out, but based on his past you can't say he's some can't miss stud for the rest of his career.

    And give it a rest with the no hitter bullshit, he was facing a AAA team and Hideo Nomo has 2 no-hitters bro, you gunna slurp him too?

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  14. Really? AAA teams have Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis in their lineup? And Nomo was a good MLB pitcher for an extended period of time.

    I didn't say can't miss stud, but there is a much better chance he turns into an ace then a bum.

    Here is exactly what will happen.

    Buchholz will come up in August ish and either start or be a long man. Penny will be gone by then for some A ball prospect. We will not make a major splash, they think highly of Jed Lowrie BTK, he will be the SS going forward. And if you look around baseball, SS that hit 280 and play good D are very hard to find. In the post roid era, the position is turning back into glove/speed/bunting then pop. If anything, the sox will acquire a bat like Nick Johnson to take some ABs from creaky Lowell and Ortiz. Id love to see them move Mikey and Penny to the NL for a decent SS and a prospect (Yunel Escobar and decent prospect) along with acquiring Johnson to play 1B and slide Youk to 3B. Mikey Lowell has been ok, but his OBP at 328 and inability to have any range in the field or speed on the basepaths is a net negative for this team. Plus he has SOME value now, if we wait a year it will be gone, along with any positive contributions to this roster.

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  15. You did NOT just pimp the prospect of trading for Nick Johnson did you? Overhyped and more injured than Drew, Johnson is not a solution for a lineup that needs some help.

    The sox .269 team BA is the lowest at this point in the season it's been since 1995. That's 14 years!! And you want them to get Nick Johnson and hope Lowrie, who hasn't hit for power, or actually even for average, at a major league level yet, solidfies the lineup?

    I think Lowrie is a pretty good player. And I think our pitching will obviously be what carries us. But unless you think Ortiz will rebound (I dunno, do you? We haven't talked about it.) you can't deny the Sox need some help. That's why they've already looked into Michael Young, Tejada, OC, Dunn and Johnson (who we wouldn't even trade EB's own Manny D for).

    What about this, then, trade Clay and Mikey to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez? Heard he might be getting shopped.

    As for SS, my boy at Stats, Inc. says Sox are looking into JJ Hardy, with the Brewers intent on bringing up that kid Escobar. I don't know what to do at SS; it really depends on how hurt Lowrie is and how his wrist responds. More pressing, I think, is getting an impact bat anywhere in the lineup. Because without a productive Papi, this lineup just isn't enough to win it all. And that's something I think everyone can admit.

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  16. When did I say prospects for Nick Johnson? I said acquire. Theo only trades prospects for young cost controlled talent. Obviously thats not Adam Dunn, NIck johnson, Matt Holiday, whens the last time he made a major move for a guy in his walk year? It just doesn't happen.

    Hardy's ok, streaky, but god in the field. I think Lowries trash, he doesnt ahve the range to be a long term solution @ SS.

    I'd make that SD trade, but I'll bet my life San Diego won't. If they do, then tip ur hats to Theo.

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  17. Adrian Gonzalez is a beast and I would love that trade. Don't know what year his contract is but who gives a shit the guy is nasty. Trade for him then sign him up and put youk at third. Big bat in the linup solved. I'm dreaming right? I also think getting JJ Hardy would be a good acquistion. I dont think Lowrie is as good as people think he is going to be.

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